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		<title>By: Godzillatron</title>
		<link>http://esmokersmag.com/2008/08/06/fda-approval/comment-page-1/#comment-23474</link>
		<dc:creator>Godzillatron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 08:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The worst thing about the FDA in US and DT in UK is that they want to impose tariff on the essentially healthier way of smoking. When you pay $5 for a pack of tobacco cigarettes, you are actually paying $3.5 or even more towards the tobacco tax.

Now just think how many tobacco cigarettes one single electronic cigarette replaces. If we say that one electronic cigarette cartridge replaces one pack of tobacco cigarettes and that one atomizer will last you 3 months, e-cig is  throwing out of the market 3 x 30 x 20 = 1,800 tobacco cigarettes.

Just think how much lost revenue is that for a taxman. 

If you want to have a look, good e-cigs are &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.e-cig-bargains.com/prd02_GAMUCCI_Micro_Electronic_Cigarette_Starter_Kit.jsp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt; and a new kid on the block &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.e-cig-bargains.com/prd17_GAMUCCI_NicoVap_Electronic_Cigarette_Starter_Kit.jsp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The worst thing about the FDA in US and DT in UK is that they want to impose tariff on the essentially healthier way of smoking. When you pay $5 for a pack of tobacco cigarettes, you are actually paying $3.5 or even more towards the tobacco tax.</p>
<p>Now just think how many tobacco cigarettes one single electronic cigarette replaces. If we say that one electronic cigarette cartridge replaces one pack of tobacco cigarettes and that one atomizer will last you 3 months, e-cig is  throwing out of the market 3 x 30 x 20 = 1,800 tobacco cigarettes.</p>
<p>Just think how much lost revenue is that for a taxman. </p>
<p>If you want to have a look, good e-cigs are <a href="http://www.e-cig-bargains.com/prd02_GAMUCCI_Micro_Electronic_Cigarette_Starter_Kit.jsp" rel="nofollow"></a> and a new kid on the block <a href="http://www.e-cig-bargains.com/prd17_GAMUCCI_NicoVap_Electronic_Cigarette_Starter_Kit.jsp" rel="nofollow"></a></p>
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		<title>By: ghardy</title>
		<link>http://esmokersmag.com/2008/08/06/fda-approval/comment-page-1/#comment-19954</link>
		<dc:creator>ghardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 08:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appologize for the last post.  It does not really belong here.  My bad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appologize for the last post.  It does not really belong here.  My bad</p>
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		<title>By: ghardy</title>
		<link>http://esmokersmag.com/2008/08/06/fda-approval/comment-page-1/#comment-19953</link>
		<dc:creator>ghardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 08:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I started using envy one week ago and have not desired a cigarette since.  I have had some problems with batteries not holding up very well but it has not made me go back to regular smokes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I started using envy one week ago and have not desired a cigarette since.  I have had some problems with batteries not holding up very well but it has not made me go back to regular smokes</p>
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		<title>By: Mother Nature</title>
		<link>http://esmokersmag.com/2008/08/06/fda-approval/comment-page-1/#comment-18959</link>
		<dc:creator>Mother Nature</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 07:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oregon did NOT ban e-cigs.  They forbid two stores to sell them and only two of the e-cigs available.. Njoy and  Smokers.

The reason for this was MISREPRESENTATION!  Not the e-cigs themselves.

I just read articles on this and the phone conversations
about this very same thing.

I swear people see a ban by a state regarding e-cigs and don&#039;t bother to read the whole story - just grab the headline and run!   I am really pointing a strong finger at the newspapers and sensationalists about that.  They see a grabber headline and ASSUME all the rest without reading what was actually banned and WHY!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oregon did NOT ban e-cigs.  They forbid two stores to sell them and only two of the e-cigs available.. Njoy and  Smokers.</p>
<p>The reason for this was MISREPRESENTATION!  Not the e-cigs themselves.</p>
<p>I just read articles on this and the phone conversations<br />
about this very same thing.</p>
<p>I swear people see a ban by a state regarding e-cigs and don&#8217;t bother to read the whole story &#8211; just grab the headline and run!   I am really pointing a strong finger at the newspapers and sensationalists about that.  They see a grabber headline and ASSUME all the rest without reading what was actually banned and WHY!</p>
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		<title>By: bea</title>
		<link>http://esmokersmag.com/2008/08/06/fda-approval/comment-page-1/#comment-16851</link>
		<dc:creator>bea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Gloria:
I ordered an e-cigarette from the internet.  It&#039;s called Vapor Pro and works well.  Google the name if you want one. Of course, like anything else, it only works if I want it to!  I have cut my smoking in half and the expense of buying real cigarettes.  This was my only motive for getting the e-cigarette.  I really didn&#039;t want to quit, just cut done, and it is serving this purpose well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Gloria:<br />
I ordered an e-cigarette from the internet.  It&#8217;s called Vapor Pro and works well.  Google the name if you want one. Of course, like anything else, it only works if I want it to!  I have cut my smoking in half and the expense of buying real cigarettes.  This was my only motive for getting the e-cigarette.  I really didn&#8217;t want to quit, just cut done, and it is serving this purpose well.</p>
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		<title>By: Ang</title>
		<link>http://esmokersmag.com/2008/08/06/fda-approval/comment-page-1/#comment-9962</link>
		<dc:creator>Ang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 22:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mathazar- Hold steady, it ain&#039;t over till it&#039;s over.  You&#039;re right about one thing though, that the FDA works for big biz, and not for the public. 
But it&#039;s always been this way, it&#039;s how the world works.  Big Govt &amp; Big Business are a team that protect the aims and wealth of business/wealth/power.  That&#039;s just how it is.  

Who is funding the phony astroturf roots hysterics against ecigs but big pharma.  They see ecigs as a major threat to their monopolized market for products that don&#039;t do much to help people stop smoking.  
They have major power and influence but the FDA&#039;s role is only to ensure that a product does what it says it will.  The FDA does no product testing and never has.  Any health claims against ecigs are so ludicrous on their face that FDA will not be able to force ecigs off the market so easily.  There is no evidence whatsoever that ecigs are harmful, certainly not anywhere near as harmful as tobacco cigarettes.  

So don&#039;t give up just yet.  This story may take a while to unfold. I prefer to expect a better outcome, especially knowing how many people out there support the ecig and know very well it&#039;s benefits.  There&#039;s just no reasonable excuse FDA can use to force this market to shut down.  It won&#039;t stop them from trying to use unreasonable excuses though.  The show will go on.  If it&#039;s not shut down already realize that means they have nothing to use as a hammer.  It&#039;s not all bleak. Stay off cancer sticks, they&#039;re taking your money to rob you of your health.  That kind of sucks worse don&#039;t you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mathazar- Hold steady, it ain&#8217;t over till it&#8217;s over.  You&#8217;re right about one thing though, that the FDA works for big biz, and not for the public.<br />
But it&#8217;s always been this way, it&#8217;s how the world works.  Big Govt &amp; Big Business are a team that protect the aims and wealth of business/wealth/power.  That&#8217;s just how it is.  </p>
<p>Who is funding the phony astroturf roots hysterics against ecigs but big pharma.  They see ecigs as a major threat to their monopolized market for products that don&#8217;t do much to help people stop smoking.<br />
They have major power and influence but the FDA&#8217;s role is only to ensure that a product does what it says it will.  The FDA does no product testing and never has.  Any health claims against ecigs are so ludicrous on their face that FDA will not be able to force ecigs off the market so easily.  There is no evidence whatsoever that ecigs are harmful, certainly not anywhere near as harmful as tobacco cigarettes.  </p>
<p>So don&#8217;t give up just yet.  This story may take a while to unfold. I prefer to expect a better outcome, especially knowing how many people out there support the ecig and know very well it&#8217;s benefits.  There&#8217;s just no reasonable excuse FDA can use to force this market to shut down.  It won&#8217;t stop them from trying to use unreasonable excuses though.  The show will go on.  If it&#8217;s not shut down already realize that means they have nothing to use as a hammer.  It&#8217;s not all bleak. Stay off cancer sticks, they&#8217;re taking your money to rob you of your health.  That kind of sucks worse don&#8217;t you think?</p>
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		<title>By: powerpuff</title>
		<link>http://esmokersmag.com/2008/08/06/fda-approval/comment-page-1/#comment-9947</link>
		<dc:creator>powerpuff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still think that regular cigarettes can do you more harm than these electric cigarettes. Take into consideration the nicotine content of the regular cigar. With each puff, you inhale and exhale bad smoke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still think that regular cigarettes can do you more harm than these electric cigarettes. Take into consideration the nicotine content of the regular cigar. With each puff, you inhale and exhale bad smoke.</p>
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		<title>By: D James</title>
		<link>http://esmokersmag.com/2008/08/06/fda-approval/comment-page-1/#comment-8938</link>
		<dc:creator>D James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 02:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They won&#039;t disappear, just get regulated, taxed, and give approval to certain manufacturers, like hmmmmm..... r j reynolds, winston, etc....  you see it really is all about money... big money!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They won&#8217;t disappear, just get regulated, taxed, and give approval to certain manufacturers, like hmmmmm&#8230;.. r j reynolds, winston, etc&#8230;.  you see it really is all about money&#8230; big money!!!</p>
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		<title>By: funballad</title>
		<link>http://esmokersmag.com/2008/08/06/fda-approval/comment-page-1/#comment-8784</link>
		<dc:creator>funballad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 23:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in oregon and just learned of e cigs when oregon banned them as over the counter sales.   does that mean it is illegal for me to order them over the internet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in oregon and just learned of e cigs when oregon banned them as over the counter sales.   does that mean it is illegal for me to order them over the internet?</p>
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		<title>By: Mathazar</title>
		<link>http://esmokersmag.com/2008/08/06/fda-approval/comment-page-1/#comment-8274</link>
		<dc:creator>Mathazar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look, there&#039;s no doubt whatsoever the FDA is going to ban Personal Vaporizers &amp; e-cigs, it&#039;s just a matter of time before it happens all over the country. E-cigs have been banned in Oregon, and it&#039;s been said that other states will follow. I&#039;m so tired of the whole debate that I&#039;m seriously thinking about getting back into Hookah smoking as it appears obvious the FDA is not going to ban tobacco products. I&#039;m not a conspiracy theorist, but I&#039;m completely convinced that the BIG tobacco companies are secretly paying BIG bucks to BIG politicians to put pressure on the FDA to ban e-cigs which already has gotten hundreds if not thousands of people worldwide off cigarettes. They&#039;re just trying to eliminate the competition, and guess what, they&#039;re succeeding. I am NOT going to invest anymore money into e-cigs because I know that in a very short period of time it will be virtually impossible to acquire replacement parts &amp; e-liquids in the USA. Ahhh well, that&#039;s the way things work in America, what can ya do? They won, and we lost. Now I&#039;m going to go back to smoking cartons of Camels each week, perhaps buy a cigar or two, and purchase a new Hookah as soon as possible, and I&#039;m going to get e-cigs out of my mind because the whole controversy with the FDA has been driving me NUTS wondering if my $150 purchase I made recently on an e-cig starter kit was just a complete waste of money, as I very soon will no longer be able to continue the hobby. :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, there&#8217;s no doubt whatsoever the FDA is going to ban Personal Vaporizers &amp; e-cigs, it&#8217;s just a matter of time before it happens all over the country. E-cigs have been banned in Oregon, and it&#8217;s been said that other states will follow. I&#8217;m so tired of the whole debate that I&#8217;m seriously thinking about getting back into Hookah smoking as it appears obvious the FDA is not going to ban tobacco products. I&#8217;m not a conspiracy theorist, but I&#8217;m completely convinced that the BIG tobacco companies are secretly paying BIG bucks to BIG politicians to put pressure on the FDA to ban e-cigs which already has gotten hundreds if not thousands of people worldwide off cigarettes. They&#8217;re just trying to eliminate the competition, and guess what, they&#8217;re succeeding. I am NOT going to invest anymore money into e-cigs because I know that in a very short period of time it will be virtually impossible to acquire replacement parts &amp; e-liquids in the USA. Ahhh well, that&#8217;s the way things work in America, what can ya do? They won, and we lost. Now I&#8217;m going to go back to smoking cartons of Camels each week, perhaps buy a cigar or two, and purchase a new Hookah as soon as possible, and I&#8217;m going to get e-cigs out of my mind because the whole controversy with the FDA has been driving me NUTS wondering if my $150 purchase I made recently on an e-cig starter kit was just a complete waste of money, as I very soon will no longer be able to continue the hobby. <img src='http://esmokersmag.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: E. Rozier</title>
		<link>http://esmokersmag.com/2008/08/06/fda-approval/comment-page-1/#comment-1695</link>
		<dc:creator>E. Rozier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 02:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bill specifically states that the F.D.A.’s new powers would stop short of the ability to order the elimination of nicotine from tobacco products or place an outright ban on all tobacco products.

But the agency could reduce nicotine to non addictive levels if it determined that doing so would benefit public health. The F.D.A. could also require changes in tobacco products, like the reduction or elimination of other harmful ingredients. 
 
I agree that it looks like the E. Cigs are not FDA approved. Getting the FDA approval for the E. Cig as an inhaler medical device; is an interesting angle.  When it comes to delivering various strengths of nicotine; this is where the problem is for approval.  This said, the E. Cig is not a tobacco product. If you read the quote above; where would products like the nicotine patch or nicotine gum fall with this law?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bill specifically states that the F.D.A.’s new powers would stop short of the ability to order the elimination of nicotine from tobacco products or place an outright ban on all tobacco products.</p>
<p>But the agency could reduce nicotine to non addictive levels if it determined that doing so would benefit public health. The F.D.A. could also require changes in tobacco products, like the reduction or elimination of other harmful ingredients. </p>
<p>I agree that it looks like the E. Cigs are not FDA approved. Getting the FDA approval for the E. Cig as an inhaler medical device; is an interesting angle.  When it comes to delivering various strengths of nicotine; this is where the problem is for approval.  This said, the E. Cig is not a tobacco product. If you read the quote above; where would products like the nicotine patch or nicotine gum fall with this law?</p>
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		<title>By: ESM Editor</title>
		<link>http://esmokersmag.com/2008/08/06/fda-approval/comment-page-1/#comment-107</link>
		<dc:creator>ESM Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gloria, if you would like to buy an eCig, you can start here: 

http://esmokersmag.com/topic/buy-ecigarettes/

Make sure to do your research, a good starting point for that would be here:

http://esmokersmag.com/electronic-cigarette-buyers-guide/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gloria, if you would like to buy an eCig, you can start here: </p>
<p><a href="http://esmokersmag.com/topic/buy-ecigarettes/" rel="nofollow">http://esmokersmag.com/topic/buy-ecigarettes/</a></p>
<p>Make sure to do your research, a good starting point for that would be here:</p>
<p><a href="http://esmokersmag.com/electronic-cigarette-buyers-guide/" rel="nofollow">http://esmokersmag.com/electronic-cigarette-buyers-guide/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gloria Allen</title>
		<link>http://esmokersmag.com/2008/08/06/fda-approval/comment-page-1/#comment-106</link>
		<dc:creator>Gloria Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to know how to buy an e cigarette.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to know how to buy an e cigarette.</p>
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		<title>By: E Cig Smoker</title>
		<link>http://esmokersmag.com/2008/08/06/fda-approval/comment-page-1/#comment-26</link>
		<dc:creator>E Cig Smoker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 11:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn it! :) I got all excited when I read the &quot;fda approval&quot; headline. Something like this would be a huge step forward for the E Cigarette industry but as it stands I&#039;m beginning to think E Cigs will never live up to their early promise. We really need some sort of official approval if the E Cigarette is to gain the general public&#039;s acceptance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn it! <img src='http://esmokersmag.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I got all excited when I read the &#8220;fda approval&#8221; headline. Something like this would be a huge step forward for the E Cigarette industry but as it stands I&#8217;m beginning to think E Cigs will never live up to their early promise. We really need some sort of official approval if the E Cigarette is to gain the general public&#8217;s acceptance.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://esmokersmag.com/2008/08/06/fda-approval/comment-page-1/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 04:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to break it to you but GreenCig does not have FDA approval but not for an e-cigarette device. If you take a look at this post on the e-cigarette forum you will see what Im talking about.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/law-e-cigarette/1652-regulating-tobacco.html

It looks like they are trying to pull the wool over everyones eyes... I was suckered in by the same claims and was discussing doing business with these guys but after a bit more investigation I have decided that I dont want to do business with someone who makes claims of this nature that are not true. I even went so far as to defend them at one point. I have learned my lesson.

Phil
http://www.e-smokeytreats.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to break it to you but GreenCig does not have FDA approval but not for an e-cigarette device. If you take a look at this post on the e-cigarette forum you will see what Im talking about.<br />
<a href="http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/law-e-cigarette/1652-regulating-tobacco.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/law-e-cigarette/1652-regulating-tobacco.html</a></p>
<p>It looks like they are trying to pull the wool over everyones eyes&#8230; I was suckered in by the same claims and was discussing doing business with these guys but after a bit more investigation I have decided that I dont want to do business with someone who makes claims of this nature that are not true. I even went so far as to defend them at one point. I have learned my lesson.</p>
<p>Phil<br />
<a href="http://www.e-smokeytreats.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.e-smokeytreats.com</a></p>
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